timate Freedom

        5 November 1969 am in Opera house, Bombay, India

        A feions ion of certain points I discussed in last nigalk.

        Question 1

        A FRIEND E AN OPPORtUNItY FOR tO tAKE BIRt MEAN tE SOULS AND NOt ONE UNIVERSAL SOUL? ALSO, ON MANY OCCASIONS YOU RUth, ONE GOD, ONE SOUL.

        ARENt tAtEMENtS tRADICtORY?

        tradi.

        Of course, God is one.

        tially ooo, but types.

        One is tle body w see.

        At t of deat tle body remains intact.

        tle body and the gross body.

        At time of deathe gross body dies.

        ter, ts of flesh, bones and marrow, drops, dies.

        Subsequently, tle ts, subtle feelings, subtle vibrations, subtle filaments, remains.

        tle ters a gross body for a neh.

        ers t means tle body enters.

        In t of deategrates, not tle body.

        But imate deat egrates along he gross body as well.

        the soul.

        the whole.

        this happens only once.

        It is like a drop merging into the o.

        to be uood.

        First, t of the soul.

        ypes of bodies -- tle -- e in tact    of tive.

        e are familiar le body, and the soul.

        Ordinary eyes are able to see the gross body.

        to see tle body.

        But t le body, is experienced only in samadhi.

        One ion attains samad is in tate of samad one experiehe divine.

        tle body, tened yogi he divine.

        God is one, but tless subtle bodies and tless gross bodies.

        tle body is t is t takes on the new physical body.

        You see many light bulbs around here.

        tricity is o energy is one, but it is maing t bulbs.

        t bodies, but their soul is one.

        Similarly, ting t in tation of two vehicles are applied.

        One is tle vele body; the gross body.

        Our experience is limited to to the physical body.

        tricted experience is the cause of all human misery and ignorance.

        But ter going beyond top at tle body.

        t;te number of souls.

        " But tle body ;God is ohe soul is one, Brahman is one.

        "

        tradi in my statements.

        of t t soul ed le body.

        It means tle body t disied yet.

        ts tains to timate freedom steps out of th.

        t    ever die.

        tops le body, because it is tle body t causes a neh.

        tle body is an ied seed sisting of our ts, desires, lusts, longings, experiences, knowledge.

        trumental in taking us on our tinuing journey.

        s are all annied, o go, t fo anywhere.

        to take birth again.

        tory in the life of Ramakrishna.

        to o be a paramened one, used to be deeply troubled about ohing.

        It botly to see an enligtained samadhi -- craving food so much.

        Ramakriso bee very anxious about food.

        eer tc;s cooking today? Its getting so late!&qualk on spiritual matters    up abruptly and rusoc art looking for food.

        Feeling embarrassed, Sely c; are you doing?    must people talk on Braarting to talk about food!" Ramakris.

        Even rated h him.

        t;Its giving you a bad name.

        People say, tained knowledge w;

        One day    very upset and reproached him.

        Ramakrisold ;You    to food, kno I s live more terwards.

        "

        S; do you mean?"

        Ramakris;All my desires and passions s are gone -- but for tely o this one desire for food.

        Its like a boat tied do rope.

        O rope is cut loose t o its endless journey.

        I am staying on .

        "

        Per give muc to t time.

        But tered    it, s urowards her.

        In a flas h.

        to terly.

        Ramakris;Dont cry.

        You wis crave for food -- your wisrue.

        " Exactly ter t Ramakrishna died.

        to just a little bit of desire.

        t little desire    for tinuation of his life-journey.

        it desire, tire support ceased to exist.

        tirtaras -- to only one desire.

        t of passion, for the good and wellbeing of all mankind.

        t to live in toe begins.

        After t th.

        After t ther one nor many.

        remains after t ot, in any ed in numbers;    even say, "Brahe divine is one.

        " to call it one is meaningless     any furthree.

        Saying one is meaningful only as long as there.

        One is signifit only i of other numbers.

        ts wo.

        te remarkable.

        t;God is not t God in terms of numbers.

        " Even calliing to t erms of numbers, which is wrong.

        But to experie one is still a long way.

        Rigill at takes multiple forms.

        er tle body.

        Going beyond tle body, tain t    whe soul.

        I said yesterday is not tradictory, is not paradoxical.

        Question 2

        A FRIEND    A BODY,    It ENtER INtO ANOthER DEAD BODY?

        Yes it .

        But tering anot unsuitable to reside in.

        t    iering t body.

        is indeed possible to enter another body.

        Its no use asking, er anot even knohe body we are already in.

        be gained by t sug anot even knohe body we have now.

        e dont even knoe are living in our body.

        e e from us.

        In any case, tering anotific terms, it    be said t it is possible to enter anot be seen in terms of yours and mine.

        All bodies are external.

        ers a mot is actually entering a body -- a very small body, an atomic body, but entering a body heless.

        t is created on t day in a motains t program in itself.

        For example, ty t ones urn gray fifty years from time of ception is    tiny little seed.

        Potentially, tains self e or black, w youll have curly hair.

        It is a tiny body, an atomic body.

        ters tomic body.

        It enters in accordance ructure of tomic body, uation tomic body is in.

        t creating suitable opportunities for superior souls to take birth.

        ever opportunities are being created are for th of inferior souls.

        It is not necessarily so t, follounity to take birth.

        Ordinary souls, opped from taking birt is very difficult to find a suitable opportunity, a    loy.

        e call ts and evil spirits.

        Very superior souls are prevented from taking birtoo, because t find suitable opportunities,    y, either.

        e call these superior souls, gods.

        In t, ts was very large whe number of gods was very small.

        In t day, ts and evil spirits ly decreased and tunity for tunity for th of evil souls has increased rapidly.

        By entering s and evil spirits, s    to see gs and evil spirits nowadays.

        One need not see them, however.

        Just look at man and you hem!

        Our belief in gods obviously deed, because o find? time y of our lives.

        If you read t doesnt seem as if talking about some imaginary gods.

        No, talking about gods hem.

        talking about gods wh.

        e    our tact     men know w gods are.

        And tire responsibility for tal system.

        tal system of ted.

        t important t ing from love, t marriages are    love.

        A marriage devoid of love does not create a spiritual bond -- a bond whe presence of love.

        A , a musiecessary to give birto a great soul is not created bethe woman.

        them is merely a sequence of panionship.

        ting of souls in t t brings togeto oneness.

        C love ever be loving, ever be godlike.

        ts and evil spirits; tred, and violence.

        Even a little t bethe woman.

        Per may not o you here is such roundness, such shapeliness in women.

        t may not o you    seen in man.

        t very big really.

        t even imagiiny.

        t cell in tains ty-four cy-four che woman.

        iting of ty-four c cell of forty-eiged.

        ity-eigs scale taining ty-four osomes each, balanced.

        But t cell of a male cs of only forty-seven cy-four on one side and ty-ther.

        Riged, the harmony is broken.

        Boty of a y, try of y.

        t defi ty of man.

        One side of y-four osomes.

        tains ty-four cs of ty-three osomes.

        ty-four c ty-the male body is formed.

        tless, so intensely diste his life.

        o do and    to do, o do t.

        All tlessness begins , he scale.

        Man is imbalanced.

        A woman is fully balanced.

        te in her.

        Suc tiful but s grow.

        An even personality does not gro remains stagnant.

        ty of man is uneven, hence you see him rag ahead, growing.

        , crosses mountains, lands on tars.

        igates.

        es books, gives birtion.

        A his kind.

        S climb Everest, land on tars; nor will se books or make discoveries in sce.

        S do anything.

        ty does not fill o transd.

        It is man ter: he lacks one osome.

        oman    developed civilizations because y is plete; there is no osome lag.

        Sucy! I am pointing t because t a biological occurrence, because one    biologically see tle difference gives birto personalities so different in cer.

        But ther, more profound inner differences as well.

        t of tuality exists bety and prayerfulogether.

        On t ttracted to t body its place of residence.

        the human race is being increasingly miserable and unhappy.

        Deep doortion of tal relationshe cause.

        Until o a ate; until ualized it,    improve ture of mankind.

        In tuate of affairs, t fuss over tion are equally responsible.

        Oopped t dire altogether.

        t right.

        I o say to you t very few people    rea.

        A very small number of people, some special type, a feotally different kind, rea.

        Most people reacal relationship.

        tra even t is simple and easy to reation    been paid to it.

        Up to nohe world.

        Religion could not evolve for t of the householder.

        been evolved for t moment of birt kind of soul ed to invite, ed to be, ype of soul ed to alloo enter life.

        If religion could be taugly, and if every individual could be given rig, rig and vision, y years e a totally neion of men.

        One o sex    first extending a loving invitation to the ining soul is a sinner.

        imate even they may be born in wedlock.

        t man o terly prayerful and reverent    is a criminal -- and ions.

        Our eure depends upohe womb.

        e care about , about t trition, but    w kind of soul a child would have.

        e ot ter his way.

        So to er anot ered this very body of yours.

        In t, a friend has asked:

        Question 3

        E KNO ABOUt PASt LIVES?

        e    certainly kno our past lives, but at present you kno this life.

        Kno lives is far more difficult.

        Man , of course, kno    lives, because oneted in t is never destroyed.

        It always remains in our deep unscious levels.

        soever we .

        If I ask you o answer.

        You mig;I dont remember anything.

        I ely no idea w I did on January 1, 1950.

        " But if you could be ized

        .

        and it    be done easily.

        to ask    as if t of January    moment.

        Also you o tell me t on t of January your m tea tained a little less sugar.

        You o say t t you tea stank ion.

        You o point out sucails -- like ting your foot.

        In tate of    out.

        I am telling you ts along this line.

        Anyone o    lives;    ress in this life.

        o    life.

        o go as far back as t whers womb.

        Only after reac point    ep into t lives.

        Remember,    is not    reason t nature et our past lives.

        And t.

        Recalling t alo lives.

        Even your recolle of t alloo survive.

        t of nature is suc it only permits as many memories as your mind    bear.

        t are to a dark abyss.

        Its like a store are no longer needed and s the door.

        Similarly, tive ed memories -- memories no longer needed in tored.

        But o eoretingly,    uanding, antly go mad -- so overwhe memories.

        One lady used to experiment under my guidance.

        So know    lives.

        I said, "It is possible;    realize t lives you may bee terribly .

        "

        S;No.

        upset? t life is already gone.

        s to    no;

        S.

        Selligent, wise and ceous.

        Follorus exactly, s into deep meditation.

        Sloo tered    life for t time, so me.

        Srembling all over, in tears.

        So cry bitterly and said, "I    tet w I have remembered.

        I dont    to go any furto my past life.

        "

        I said, "It is difficult.

        It ake time tet o your mind.

        But w;

        S;Please dont ask me.

        I used to te, but in my previous birtitute in a temple in th.

        I was a devadasi.

        I made love housands of people.

        I sold my body.

        No, I    tet all t.

        I dont even    to remember it for a sed.

        "

        So anyone    enter    life.

        t; t.

        test tribution to mankind made by Ma trine of nonvioleest tribution is trine of remembering past lives.

        t oo make it clear to seekers t until tered t lives, t be able to knohe soul is.

        And to go bato his previous life.

        So recall t life,    man altogeto see ing times before.

        he will see his foolishness.

        o see imes , imes er prestige, atus, imes raveled to Deltained ion.

        imes    once again hing.

        And eacime, in the journey has proven unsuccessful.

        And time as well.

        iter antly end, tac to position will disappear.

        to knoo kno no man isfied by a isfied by a man.

        A, a man still ill wonders w man.

        times.

        If all t it again -- because ed an aany times, its ; thing bees meaningless.

        Boted intensive experiments in jati-smaran, in recalling t lives.

        transformed.

        man.

        I    assure tion t aken into past life memories if he so desires.

        Befetting into t, one o give it very careful sideration, however.

        As it is, troubles in ones present life.

        Obviously, it is tet all tet    a man drinks, ches movies, plays cards, gambles.

        so o live    brave enougo face to gato recall previous lives?

        You may find it strange, but all religions of to alcohol.

        ely stupid politis explain to t it because it destroys moral cer, ruins y, makes man violent.

        this is all nonsense.

        Religions et himself.

        And one et ed he soul.

        to knohe soul.

        ts hings.

        It o do    tis are saying.

        trutter is

        .

        and tion: Ordinarily, people think an alcoholic is a bad person.

        I know people w drink.

        Based on t tter t.

        ty and passion I    seen in the non-drinkers.

        ty I    seen in t drink.

        those who drink.

        But t ted by tis, why religion has opposed alcohol.

        t, in trying tet o remember.

        ting    life remember    ones? And    remember    lives e?

        sequently, a bliition goes on.

        we imes before, we keep doing over and ain.

        Its an unending process.

        And until    tupidities over and over, endlessly.

        tinuous g our as, and tart all ain.

        e    a er wheel.

        this life samsara

        Do you know w samsara means? Samsara means a whe spokes of which keep revolving, keep moving up and down.

        I dont know ws in India ional flag.

        Per kno it.

        As on upas, on    so remind people t life is a revolving    is like an ox moving in circles at a er o whey were before.

        So t does not represent any viarch.

        It symbolizes life beied daily.

        It s life is a repetitive boredom, a revolving wheel.

        But eacime    t and start repeating ourselves    i ahusiasm.

        A man falls in love ing her.

        realize, imes he has fallen in love before, how many women he has chased before.

        A, once again    t is    time in his life.

        But t sort of    o imes before.

        If o e to kno, en or ty times.

        time you may enjoy it.

        If you are s day you may tolerate it.

        On t;t he movie any more.

        " But if you are pelled, tened -- "If you doake you aer you" -- and like to see teen days, oempt suicide.

        ts.

        You , "But I    for fifteen days, ?" And to see ter you cly fet you ever sa, t day you    be seen purcicket freatly.

        Eacime a man drops one body and acquires anoto the memories of his previous body closes.

        itarts once again -- t, tory.

        Once agaiimes before.

        Remembering t one es to see t t imes before, t tory imes before, t times before.

        Nohing is beyond endurance.

        Nonattac, freedom from .

        to feel aversion tohe kind of life he now leads.

        Nonattac is created by reviving ths.

        ttac odays    t lives.

        Let me tell tion t, from my side, I am fully prepared.

        I am saying is not just tical.

        I am ready, ion, to put eaco test.

        And Ill be o see anyone who is ready.

        Yesterday, I io experiment h me.

        I ters saying, "e are very eager to begin t.

        e ing for someoo call us.

        You have beed us; we are ready.

        " I am o knohey are ready.

        My doors are open to them.

        I    take to go, and as far as to go.

        least a feo attain enlig.

        Even if a feire darkness engulfing the human race.

        You may , but    fifty years, ts of an opposite nature prevailed in India.

        One experiment ed by Gand by Aurobindo.

        Gand o raise ter of eadividual.

        Gand seemed successful, but it turned out to be a total failure.

        ter    urned out to be made of clay: a slig ty years, all t wore off.

        e are all o it.

        tand naked in New Delhi.

        All t and color    a bit is left anywhere.

        sanded on the rain.

        So long as po s, and to assure people t try to greater s.

        to be tossed into ion in try.

        So Gando be succeeding but ended as a total failure.

        Experiments similar to Ganded many times before and eacime, failed.

        Aurobindo carried out an experiment o be successful.

        succeed, but    dire.

        ing to see if it o rise so    to uplift ot to otart rising.

        Is it possible, ire spirit to be uplifted? It is not only possible, it is thing possible.

        today.

        today, man    if    will never happen.

        On trary, ter possibility is t aempting t about suc s to ge.

        It is    bee corrupt like thers.

        You    see for yourselves t t out to serve turn out, in a feo be their deceivers.

        t to serve oto reform otime you find t people o reform them.

        No, t idea of c feasible.

        tory of imes wo sucs you    hardly imagine.

        ty-five    of Buddyayana, Makkta.

        In Greece, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle and Plotinus were born.

        Lao tzu, fucius and Czu appeared in a.

        ty-five en or fifteen people of sucy , during touche heavens.

        A golden age seemed to he world.

        Never before he human soul so powerfully in evidence.

        Ma ts of fifty to place.

        t, tirring village after village.

        I place would ge.

        en t ire village, as if s began to bloom and    time.

        A fe ted.

        People only look up wo see.

        In t o see above, but to see below.

        to see below.

        today, Delely in t.

        If you look belo hell.

        s to reaco therworld, lower and lower.

        today.

        ?    greater misfortune    t t just seeing tes a deep longing in our s, suc just looking at t just looking at t;I could his.

        too.

        I could he same song.

        I could also .

        "

        S even once occur to you t "I could oo" -- of course you need someoo look up to for su -- your vital energy would embark on a higher journey.

        And remember, your vital energy is al is not journeying up is journeying downward.

        tal energy is atic.

        In topping, no ing.

        tation , wher you are moving up or down.

        Every moment life is in motion.

        time    so t oto them.

        I o start a movement t t of many people -- I only need a feo experiment.

        If a o experiment and are determio raise tire face of India    be c ty years.

        At time of ;I kept calling for a o e, but they never did.

        I am now dying a disened man.

        If only a ry.

        "

        Vivekananda    on calling but t e.

        I    call people.

        Ill sear ead every village.

        Ill look into to make sure who he is.

        And t man o to be p.

        If only a    Everest.

        On t jour, try    move ahead.

        ting, o tread a pately unknoo cross a totally unced o, s su t    possible.

        It , "A person     have arisen in him.

        "

        t responsibility towards mankind.

        to e foro experies of sciousness, offer totally.

        All truto t are being falsities.

        All ts attained so far are being taken as fantasies, are being myths.

        One or t.

        titious cers.

        In t, in faan ten a book in ed.

        s just an old play    and began to look upon as ory.

        e enact Ramleela because    before -- and so we perform Ramleela.

        A ;t t Rama    some time in t.

        " So Ramleela, tment of Ramas adventures, would precede Rama.

        Ramleela    a play ime, and Rama .

        Obviously, o be reized,    be possible to believe ted before?

        to believe th higher minds.

        It refuses to accept ter.

        A man als to believe est.

        s someones superiority only    all.

        tempts to find some fault, some defe to prove oo.

        so t someday ell everyoered, t he no lives him any credence because he has discovered a blemish.

        Essentially, to find somethe person.

        If none is found, a need so a man    feel fortable in upidity and feel he is doing fine.

        By and by, man    souls because their signs, are nowhere visible.

        one vince us t Budd? ence of d a be able to s Kris for long.

        e need people like Jesus, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira.

        If    produce men of suc fifty years, t to enter a very dark age.

        ture for mankind.

        t cy.

        I oo tohis clarion call.

        o put my o making ty.

        From my side I am fully prepared.

        Let us see if at time of my deato say, "I    find them.

        "
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